Leave Nothing To Chance

 

Scott Lucy is a visionary and leader known for driving revenue growth in a highly competitive marketplace. But did you know that he acted in theatre to Shakespeare? Join John Solleder as he is joined by Scott Lucy to talk about his early days in theatre acting. Find out about the time he shared the stage with Sir Anthony Hopkins. Learn how acting actually improved his ability to speak and project. Listen to this episode to understand how all of this built him to be who he is today!

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From Shakespeare To Sir Anthony Hopkins With Scott Lucy

It is my distinct pleasure to welcome a long-term friend of mine from the other side of the pond, Mr. Scott Lucy, to the show.

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Scott, how are you?

I’m well. It’s good of you to invite me to the show. Thank you so much.

I know you’ve had a multitude of careers and success in a number of different avenues that we’re talking about in this episode but most of our audience or people like ourselves that are associated with the network marketing, leveraged marketing, multi-level marketing, direct selling or whatever you want to call an industry, how long have you been involved? I know it’s a long time.

I first got involved in March of 1984, which was with a company we may know called Herbalife and they were in their prelaunch activities in the UK. At the time, I had a construction business. I was only 26 years old but I got that from my father and was working in that. I got a call from a friend I used to play racquetball with and he said, “We need to meet tonight for a pint of beer after work. I’m going to show you how you can become a millionaire.” I said, “What are you talking about?” He said, “I’m not going to tell you on the phone. You’ve got to come.” That was my initial induction to Herbalife.

We worked on a pre-launch basis. Finally, the launch was in May of ‘84. We got on the call with Mark Hughes and Larry Thompson, the owner and number one distributor and trainer. They said, “If you guys could put 500 people in a hotel room, we’ll fly across to the UK and we’ll start to get this thing going.” By May the 5th of ‘84, we put 700 people in a room at Heathrow Airport in the Skyline Hotel. I’ll never forget it. It was the most amazing experience but you had to bring everybody. I even got my mother and my auntie. It was anyone you could get to come to fill the building up. From that day on, I was hooked and that’s it. It started there. As you know, we’re still friends with Larry Thompson to this day. It was an amazing experience.

I had lunch with him. He’s getting up there in years but he’s still going strong. He’s probably going to shoot me for saying he’s getting up there in years but aren’t we all? We’ve known each other since ‘92.

Exactly, with Lifestyles when you were in England.

Those were the good old days when I lived in the UK. It almost seems like another lifetime ago. It was so long ago but I loved living over there. I had a great time. When we talk about self-development, you can’t have had the success in your career that you’ve had without it. Do you remember maybe the first book that you read on self-development?

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Not only do I remember it but I still got it. I knew you were going to ask me this. It’s called See You at the Top by Zig Ziglar. I was invited to go to see him live. It was at the Lancaster Gate Hotel, which is coincidentally where we used to have our Herbalife meetings. On the 17th of July, 1980, Zig Ziglar signed it for me. His autograph is in there.

We didn’t have motivational books in the UK. We didn’t know much about that subject at all. I went on to discover Maxwell Maltz so I went on to discover some of the biggest hits in psychology and pseudo-psychology but this was the one that kicked it off for me and I’m still very happy to keep it to this day. Zig was an amazing man and the way he told his stories and his analogies made it simple like flea trading, for instance. You might remember that.

I learned it almost off by heart and would do these pieces of training from his book at meetings in London and people will be mesmerized. They never heard anything like this and that’s what gave me the confidence to do public speaking and to get that feedback from people. I’ve had libraries of this stuff. I’ve also been fortunate enough to mix with some of the biggest leaders in the industry as well. It’s a constant learning curve. It never stops. Personal development is essential. It gives you a good balance in life. It allows you to learn to listen better and that was a key for me. We babble when we’re younger but I’ve learned to listen and find out and ask pointed questions now and then that would reveal so much more to me about the people I was working with. It enabled me to support them in the best way I could.

It’s amazing you bring up Zig. He was a Dallas guy and I became a Dallas guy after many years. I moved down here in 1993 or 1994. I was going to a little private gym that one of my distributors in the company I was helping to run down here owned over on Belt Line Road in Dallas. One Saturday morning, one of the guys who knew Zig goes, “There’s the Zig Ziglar.” There was a beauty salon next door to the gym and he always referred to his wife as the redhead.

He got out of his Cadillac, walked over to her door, opened the door, took her by the elbow, walked her into the beauty salon and he left for probably the better part of an hour. He then came back and we watched the same sequence of events. He went and met her at the door, walked her back to the car, opened the car door and guided her back into the car. They were much younger then. Zig passed away since then but it wasn’t a health thing. It was that Zig was as real when the lights weren’t on as when they weren’t. He was a great guy and teacher.

Let me ask you this. Let’s say that they show up there at your home in England and say, “We know the weather in the UK isn’t too great in January so we’re going to take you to a beautiful island where there’s plenty of water, plenty of food or plenty of good wine even. There’s plenty of everything. However, you’re limited on what you can bring. You can only bring three books with you.” What would the three books be?

See You at the Top is one that really inspired me and that’s why I’ve kept it for many years so that’s going to come with me. The Bible is an important book. I would bring the Bible with me. That supported me in times when it was tough and it also inspires me so that would be in there. The third one is called Sapiens. I don’t know if you’ve come across that book but it’s an interesting read. It’s written by a psychologist and professor. It’s the study of our species and how we work, how we live, how we interact and what are our motivations. It’s those three books.

Who wrote Sapiens?

It’s by Yuval Noah Harari. It’s a million-copy bestseller. I don’t know if this is a good thing or not but there’s a quote at the bottom of the book. It says, “I would recommend Sapiens to anyone who’s interested in the history of the future of our species by Bill Gates.” It’s very interesting. On the back, it’s also quite interesting and provocative. It says, “It gives you a sense of perspective on how briefly we’ve been on this earth by Barrack Obama.” It’s those three. My first book, See You at the Top is the one that turned me on to possibilities of life, understanding motivation, goal setting, etc. The Bible for all the right reasons and Sapiens. It may be an odd choice but there we are.

 

I know you’re a fan of another writer who is not quite with a million copies but that’s myself and my buddy Foster Owusu.

I’ve got that right here, Leave Nothing to Chance.

In that book, is there a concept or a chapter that stands out to you? If so, why?

Definitely. It’s chapter four, principle four, Create Balance. It’s the key to staying on track. I read both of your perspectives on that. It’s important. I have a family in London and it’s spending that quality time that our industry allows us to do at home and to see how those kids have turned out now. My daughter is a cruise director on the largest ship in the world on the Oasis of the Seas. My son had his company valued at £2.5 million and he started that from scratch with £200 and an old laptop.

I guess that quality time that was spent with my wife and me and the children that we took them to school together, read to them at nighttime together and took them on adventures was a great gift. The balance was that I could go to my home office and sit and work. The kids respected that too because they knew that daddy was going to give them good stuff afterward. That balance or trade-off, however you want to put it, allowed us to function as a family well.

I’m blessed that I found our industry because I don’t think there’s any other way. I’ve watched my friends getting on trains at 6:30 AM or 7:00 AM commuting in London, not getting back to the same time in the evening and missing everything about their kids. Balance is key. Family, spirituality, self-development, meeting new people and stretching yourself at every opportunity are all such good stuff and it’s summed up in that particular chapter.

Thank you. I’ve interviewed 60 somewhat people on the show and in some cases, knowing their kids. For example, our mutual friend, Simon Brookes. We met through Simon. His son Frazer grew up in the business. I’ve interviewed him and he’s telling me things that his father used to quote me when he was a little boy. I found the same thing with Carissa Rogers who is doing really well in the industry in Florida. Her mother was one of my distributors in a past company. She tells me stories about when I used to come and take her mother, her dad and her out to lunch before meetings when she was a little kid. She’s like, “I learned this from you.”

You don’t realize the impact but more important than that, with what you said. It’s the fact that all of our kids are growing up around self-development. If our industry does nothing else well and it does a lot of things well in my opinion, it gets people to hear Zig Ziglar, Jim Rohn, Les Brown, Dr. Napoleon Hill and all of these great authors, speakers and people who believed in self-development. If I had never gotten into network marketing, I don’t know if I ever would have heard of any of those guys. To your point with both of your kids being as successful as they are, even though they’re not in our industry, they grew up around those concepts that they’ve applied to other things. It’s such a great value.

You are not a one-dimensional guy because you had a whole other career that you rarely talk about but I’m going to get you to talk about it. I know my father, who has been gone now for a long time, one of his favorite shows was the Benny Hill Show. I grew up watching Benny Hill and that guy was funny. I know you worked with him and you were on the show. Tell us about that whole experience of Scott Lucy, the actor.

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It was around about the same time that I went to see Zig Ziglar. It was around 1980 that I’ve moved to a town in the south of London called Bromley and I didn’t know anyone. I found in the library an advertisement for people to support the local amateur dramatic group. It’s called the Bromley Little Theatre. To cut a long story short, I started working in the bar and got to know a few people. It was all voluntary. I then started reading some scripts and I got my first part on the stage with a play called The Ghost Train. I only had one line in it. I was a policeman. The lead actor said, “Did you get them all, Jackson?” I said, “Yes, sir. I think so,” and that was my only line in the whole play.

I loved the experience so I went on reading. I found that I enjoyed it and I was pretty good at it. I got some lead roles and I got invited to join up with a lady called Carol Crowther who had a company called Clown Cavalcade. She ran clown troupes that would go out on events. We got invited to the Lord Mayor’s show in London. This was in ’81. She had me dressed up with this big, broken top hat, a pair of big boots and a bicycle that went up and down when you rode it. I was what they call the auguste clown. It’s the wild clown or the crazy clown.

We were at this big event in Dagenham, Essex. They had military bands. It was a huge event for the summer and the Lord Mayor of London flew in by helicopter. He went up and sat on the Lord Mayor stand with all these dignitaries. At this point, I ran across the middle of the arena and the guy on the PA systems go, “What’s the clown doing?” I run up the stairs and I sat on the lap of the Lord Mayor of London with a big bag of toffees. I would have probably been shot these days by a sniper rifle but in those days, it was a little less strict.

The press took a photograph of the clown sitting on the mayor’s lap with these toffees and it got on the front page of Evening Standard, which was the London newspaper. The lady that owned the Clown Cavalcade said, “I don’t care whatever you do. You have deserved a full equity contract.” In those days, to get an actor’s equity contract, you had to do 40 weeks in professional work but in order to do 40 weeks of professional work, you had to have an equity contract. It was a catch-22.

She wrote me an open 40-week contract so at the end of those 40 weeks, I got my equity card and that’s how I got into television. That’s how I met Mr. Benny Hill and ended up working with Hugh Laurie. You might remember him. He became famous in America for Dr. House. I worked with him in a thing called Bomber Pilot. I was his brother. I also worked with Sir Anthony Hopkins from The Silence of the Lambs. In those days, he was Tony in ’83. We sat on the back steps of the theater drinking tea and having bacon sandwiches. It was a lot of fun. I loved it.

I think I could have made a bigger career out of it but the children came along and I had to get serious because unless you’re making big money in acting, you can’t support a family. I left it behind at that point but I’ve continued in a way that I like to do presenting. I enjoy public speaking. I do TV work still in terms of promoting property videos, travel videos and things like that. You could find them all over YouTube. They’re everywhere.

I do have to ask you. Sir Anthony Hopkins was sitting around and eating bacon sandwiches with you. We talk about visionaries like Zig Ziglar and all the guys we mentioned in our world. A guy in that world, did he have the vision of what he ultimately would become? He’s probably our greatest living actor at this point. I can’t think of anybody quite at his level.

It’s interesting because, at that point, he was in a very destructive marriage. He was pretty much an alcoholic. He wasn’t a very happy person at all. It was shortly after that, it was about ‘84 or ‘85, that he got out of that situation. He decided to change his life. He realized that he was going to kill himself if he carried on. A lot of that was part of his dysfunctional relationship, which he left.

The rest is history from The Silence of the Lambs and onwards but he’s back in the UK. He has a home here and a home in the States. He flips in between Wales. It’s where he started out. He’s also an amazing composer. I don’t know if you know that. He composes classical music. He plays the piano beautifully. He turned his life around. He and Richard Burton both came from the same town in Wales.

 

I didn’t know that.

They came from pretty poor backgrounds. They had to fight their way out of the colliery. The coal industry was down there. You either went in the mines or on the stage. It was different. He’s a fascinating and very inspirational guy.

What has always amazed me when I come to the UK and I go see the Royal Shakespeare Company is the versatility of the actors in the UK. I’m not diminishing our talent over here. We got a lot of talented people on this side of the pond but what was amazing to me and this is probably going back about when we met many years ago. I spent a week and I watched the Royal Shakespeare Company do different shows every night for five nights in a row with the same actors or same cast.

One night, you saw a guy and he was a villain. The next night, he was a comedian. The next night, he might’ve been a Troubadour. Who knows who he would played as in the next night based on whatever Shakespeare played into doing? The versatility of the actors is amazing to me. I think it’s one of the reasons why you’ve been successful in another industry and I bet there are a lot of other people in the UK are because I believe that you learn how to speak properly and communicate at such a level when you have acting in your background. I’d love your thoughts on that.

I agree certainly from a public speaking perspective because you have to project. You don’t have to shout on the stage. You have to project your voice. It’s a different technique. I’m able to communicate in quite a large room without necessarily using a microphone. The other thing is we all start off having fear of public speaking. It’s a terrifying thing the first time you get to do it in a big crowd with lights on you and the silent audience. It is tough but I was taught to look at the back of the room and not at any particular eyeline and that helped a lot. Over the years, I’ve honed that and I can work with a group of 25 and I can eyeball the people in the front row. It doesn’t bother me anymore?

From that perspective to project your voice rather than shout was something that gave me a resonance and a way to communicate. Also, the use of pause in the conversation. You can use that very effectively to make a point and not to speak too quickly or to use short phrases was also important. You’ve talked about Shakespeare. I also have a connection with that story. Did I ever tell you that?

No. Go ahead.

It’s quite interesting because my ancestral family home is called Charlecote Park, which is in Warwickshire. One of my ancestors was a guy called Sir Thomas Lucy. Sir Thomas Lucy was a QC, a Queen’s Counselor or a high court judge if you like. The sheriff of Warwickshire, like the police force, brought three boys to sir Thomas Lucy for judgment because they’d been stealing deer meat or venison out of the park. One of those boys’ names was William Shakespeare.

Sir Thomas Lucy has quoted in writing, “I know your father so I’m not going to send you to the penitentiary. I’m going to send you to your uncle in London away from these bad boys of influence,” and that’s how Shakespeare ended up in London. In his play, The Merry Wives of Windsor, he writes about Justice Shallow and they think that references to Sir Thomas Lucy. The next time you’re over, I’ll take you to the real Shakespeare Theater in Warwickshire. We will do that tour. It’s fascinating.

Let’s come back now full circle to leverage marketing, network marketing or whatever we want to call it these days. I’m hearing so many different terms. Everybody’s talking about having a side gig and having this, that and the other thing. You’ve been around the industry for a long time. You’ve seen a lot of changes technologically and everything else but let me ask you this. There are a lot of people that have never considered our industry.

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I’ll give it to you this way. Let’s say there’s a dad and his son. His son’s about 25 and the dad’s about 60. They’ve never looked at our industry. The dad was maybe an upper-level manager for a company. He did well and getting to that age when you start thinking about hanging it up, hitting golf balls or catching more fish. The son’s well-educated, went to university, got good grades and started his business career. We then know what happened a couple of years ago. It’s this little thing called a pandemic.

All of a sudden, both of their plans and circumstances changed. They never looked at network marketing, never even considered it and wasn’t even on their radar. Now, they’re at that point where they realize that they have to do something in addition to whatever it is they’re doing to make a living. They look at our industry for the first time but they say, “I want your counsel to do something.” What’s your advice to the 25-year-old first off and then the 60-year-old second?

For the 25-year-old, it’s at the college university age group. The things that that age group suffers the most with are their finances and also, they have great connections because they’re always partying, living together, sharing rooms and sharing experiences in college and university. They also have similar anxiety about financial issues and about their workload. You can turn the heads at that age and say, “Here’s something that you can build amongst your peer group and have fun with. You’ve got to find the right product that suits you. You’ve got to find a little bit of guidance in terms of which compensation plan is going to suit you best. Do your research, find something that turns you on and you think will suit your lifestyle and then build it slowly.”

One of my favorite network marketing training books was with Don and Nancy Failla. They explain that so well that a ten-year-old child could understand. By building a brick at a time, you’re building deep foundations. You explain to them that this it’s not a 100-meter race. It’s a marathon. Say, “You’re handing off your building or structure. You’re working with people that you like and trust. All of those good things build the foundations of a business. Don’t rush it. You’ve got time. We’re looking at a 3 to 5-year deal to get yourself into a good situation where you can maintain probably an income of around $4,000 to $5,000 a month or £4,000 to £5,000 pounds a month if I’m talking from an English point of view. You should be able to generate that in that period. You can continue with your coursework. You can continue with whatever you’re doing but build this along the side.”

For the dad or the retiree at 60 years old, I won’t mention companies but I know of one man who was a retired butcher in Phoenix, Arizona. He started with a network marketing company at the age of 72. He’s 89 now and during that time, he and his family have taken $40 million out of that business. He had a great experience with network marketing previously. He did have some great contacts and he was a great trainer. I would say as a retiree or semi-retiree, you have to look at that person’s background. You have to work on finding out what skills they have from all of the years they’ve worked, focus on those strengths they have and also find out what their motivation is.

If they want to catch more fish or play more golf, let’s start to work through the golfing fraternity. That’s a great way to meet people. You get four hours usually to walk around and have meaningful conversations with your great friends with no disruption. From a retiree’s perspective, it’s a very casual business over lunch, over beers, over the sport or over in the gym. The way you do it is with such grace. That’s the key to it. That’s a slightly different approach but for the same goals.

Let me ask you one other thing here because like myself, you’ve been at this a long time. We started way back. You stuck it in an envelope and you mailed an application into the home office. When I started in ‘83, I lived in New Jersey. I would mail it to California and would hope somebody opened the envelope and put the person’s information in. We started to send the applications in to go into the system. Now, you pick up your phone and you can do it.

We’ve seen all of those changes. What would you say the greatest innovation has been in our industry since the time we started with mailing applications into the home office and hoping somebody put them in a computer to now where everything is done from either a laptop or a cellphone? It’s not only the greatest innovation itself. Also, how do you think that has changed how fast somebody could grow a network marketing distributorship versus the old days when we had so many logistical nightmares to overcome?

It’s still about preparation. You have to be learning certain skills to communicate well on social media. That’s important. The fact that we’ve got fewer barriers than we have before, it’s the global village. Most of the software that drives the compensation plans are seamless. You can have accounts and people in many different countries but sourcing product directly from their local warehouse and in their own language and then, you still collect royalties on it so that’s exciting. It really is global now. It started in the United States and then came to England. Now, it’s massive in Southeast Asia, Japan, India, Eastern Europe and South America. It’s global. It’s very different.

We’re fortunate to speak English to communicate in English, it’s probably the easiest. Google translate was a bit Mickey Mouse when it first came out. Now, you can write quite a long letter if you wish, then press the button and it’ll translate it into any number of languages very accurately. I’ve had people comment and say, “Your Spanish grammar is so good now.” Little do they know it’s Google. That’s a great tool.

 

Strange things have happened. Back in those days in the ‘80s, we would go through the telephone directories which gave everybody’s name, address and telephone number. You could call people but that’s gone now because of GDPR. You can’t have any of that information but strangely enough, we have this thing called Facebook now where people tell you their education, what food they like, what sports they like, who their family is and who their friends are. Everything about it is crazy. Also, you can work through some fantastic groups on Facebook where if you’re a fisherman, a golfer, a stay-at-home mom or whatever you are, you can connect with people in those groups by learning how to interact in a social environment.

Imagine you were walking into a hotel lobby and there’s a drinks party on your favorite subject whether that be fishing, art or whatever and your job is to go around in 30 seconds and introduce yourself to everybody in the room. It’s not about pitching them in the business, it’s about making that introduction and finding out if there’s any commonality and then you shortlist your people down. That’s the same way you do things on Facebook and social media.

If your business is expanding to a new country, what we do in the UK, for instance, is we’ll reach out to let’s say the Hispanic communities in London who speak English because they are living in England. We can start that communication by saying, “This is what it’s about. Take that story back to your country,” or that could be Polish, Hungarian or that could be any other language. It’s much more in much more exciting in that respect. You can build your business a lot faster because of the technology.

Even doing what we’re doing now, the Zoom calls and WhatsApp are fantastic. It’s all free. I remember when I was a kid. My great aunt was living in New York and my mother and father would call her once every three months. You had to call the telephone exchange and book the time of the call and it was very expensive to make that call. They had to connect the operators to that. Now, we do FaceTime, WhatsApp and other different channels. It’s incredible. It’s a long answer to your short question but that’s what I believe. It’s probably more exciting now than ever.

It really is. I was thinking back to when you were saying that. I had an uncle that used to have an egg timer next to the phone. This was from New Jersey to New Jersey. This wasn’t international. This was in the United States but because the phone bill was so expensive and this was back in the ‘60s and ‘70s, in five minutes you call your brother or your sister and ask, “How are you? How are the kids? I got to go,” because the five minutes was probably $5. It’s amazing.

In wrapping up here, we’re into a new year. It’s an interesting year. We’re certainly living in some interesting times What’s your advice for the people that are reading as far as their outlook going forward after the last couple of years and what we’ve all cumulatively been through not only in England and the United States but throughout the world? How should they get their thinking right? That is the real question. I know you’re an eternal optimist. How do they get themselves there during those dark moments when there’s another report about another barrier or another whatever that comes along? How do they get their thinking right so that they don’t dwell on things that they have zero control over and dwell on the things that they do have control over?

The human mind is a very interesting thing. You cannot have positive and negative thoughts at the same time. It’s impossible. Think of something really negative then look up at the sky, smile and try and keep that negative thought. It’s very difficult. You can’t. I avoid mainstream media apart from the highlights just so I’m aware of what’s going on generally but I don’t listen to the in-depth news channels regurgitating all this BS. The fortunate thing is there are alternatives. There’s an enormous amount of archive footage. You talked about Jim Rohn. He’s a wonderful teacher on changing your attitude, etc. You can find all of these free to listen to on YouTube or podcasts. There are masses and masses of it. I think that’s important.

You have your daily kickstart in the morning. I’m an early riser. I’m usually up around 5:30 AM or 6:00 AM every day. I tend to do my exercise early in the morning. I’m on the calls as of 9:00 AM to be polite for those that don’t like getting up so early. I keep an old seven-day diary or a seven-day view. I’m not very good at using online diaries. I like to see the week ahead and write down my meeting schedules. I will always make an effort to work through some great contacts that I’ve made over the years to say, “Hi. How’s it going? What’s going on with you?” To reinitiate conversations with people that I like and admire but could have lost touch with.

There’s one particular man. We’ve talked together about Ron Holland. Ron is a great author and motivator. I talk to Ron at least once a week. We share ideas. Also, you and I. It’s keeping these long-term friendships from colleagues and people that you get on with in life and see where other opportunities arise. If I’m feeling a little down, I can call and say, “I’m not feeling so good. What do you advise?” You get this feedback from those positive people around you. That’s important.

It’s having your goals whether they are business goals, family goals or spiritual goals, written down. I’ve got my weekend view, my monthly, quarterly targets and annual targets. I never counted work more than three years ahead. One of my stickers here is for my 65th birthday coming up in January 2023. I’ve got myself down for the Royal Cruise. It’s eighteen nights on the Seven Seas Splendor, which is one of the most prestigious cruise lines in the world. That’s my 65th birthday present. I’m working on good goals and things I reward myself with and things I could do for family and friends. That’s how I keep myself going and it paid off. This January 2022, I have five proposals out there for consulting work and that’s while people are still on vacation from Christmas.

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Let me do my little commercial here. Our website is LeavingNothingtoChance.com. We’re also on Spotify and iTunes every single Tuesday. I have amazing guests like Scott Lucy. If you’re not familiar with the show, my name is John Solleder and I’m the author of Moving Up: 2020, which is hard to believe that book has been out now for a couple of years. 2020 came and went. What a year it was. When I wrote it in 2019, I thought, “2020 is going to be this amazing year.” That summed it up either way.

I always think of the song by Prince titled I’m going to party like it’s 1999 and I forget that that was many years ago.

In 1999, we were a little scared too because the computers were supposed to shut off at midnight. That was the last time they scared the you-know-what out of everybody for no reason. Also, I am the author of Leave Nothing to Chance, which is what the show is named after. Scott, I want to give you the last word. This has been a pleasure, needless to say. Is there anything else you want to share with the audience?

I have to say thank you, first of all, for inviting me once again. It has been a pleasure to work with you and Foster over the years on and off and some of the other great people I’ve met through your associations. It is still a wonderful industry and I’m very blessed to have you and Larry Thompson all those years to stay in touch. That’s something about the industry that has stayed with me always. I’ve got many friends here even in the UK and those long-term friendships. We look at each other now with white hair but we’re still positive. We’re not retiring, giving up and we’re all in pretty good health. I still think I’m 30 something. It’s a great industry to be in. There are other options. You can set up a Spotify account or you can go and be an Uber driver but nothing beats this industry.

You said it so well. It’s a unique fraternity. I think about that. You and I have been friends all these years and Simon and I stay in touch, also some of the guys that I worked with in the UK many years ago. We don’t work together in the same company. There’s no financial relation but we stay in touch. We follow each other’s lives going on, kids being born, kids growing up and having their own kids, all that kind of stuff. It has been a wonderful ride all these years. Thank you.

You’re very welcome. Thank you and bless you. I wish you well.

Likewise.

Take care. Bye.

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